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Poster: noodlesmcintosh Date: Feb 6, 2007 7:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: New to the Dead

I'm new to the Grateful Dead but I've really enjoyed listening to Zeppelin shows and some of the O.A.R. shows I've been to. Can anybody tell me where I should start to get into these guys? I know they're famous for their shows but should I start with some of their studio stuff? Any help to this would be greatly appreciated.

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Poster: noodlesmcintosh Date: Feb 8, 2007 3:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the Dead

All of this is very greatly appreciated. I'm glad that I'm greeted with people trying to help me get into them rather than elitist assholes lol. But thanks alot everybody. I'm trying out alot of these shows.

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Poster: BryanE Date: Feb 7, 2007 8:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the Dead

I'm jumping in here a little late, Noodles, but I want to make sure you're aware of their second album, Anthem of the Sun. It oozes with vintage psychedelia and includes That's It For The Other One, a portion of which being what eventually became known simply as The Other One, a staple of their song rotation in concert. The major-label live version is on the Skull & Roses album, aka Skullfuck, and after a lengthy Billy Kreutzmann drum solo, the rest of the band returns as Phil Lesh jump-starts the ensuing jam with his trademark Other One bass run, which remained an essential ingredient of The Other One for years. When they started playing Cryptical Envelopment in the 80's after an absence of probably a decade or more, the crowd greeted it with stunned hysteria (if there is such a thing). You'll also find a slew of song/jam titles on Anthem that range from bizarre to just plain silly: The Faster We Go, The Rounder We Get; New Potato Caboose; Born Cross-Eyed. It wasn't the last time they ever put weird stuff on the label-years later, a strange percussion interlude on Go To Heaven was called Antwerp's Placebo (The Plumber). One of the most fully realized expressions of their tendency toward insanity is What's Become of the Baby from their third album, Aoxomoxoa. Most consider it to be barely listenable. It was actually a studio experiment to see how far they could go with an audio concept that was fueled by a little too much nitrous oxide in the studio. The idea was for it to sound like all of the instruments and noises were coming out of the singer's, Jerry's, voice. What resulted is an eerie six minutes or so of psychosis that probably made Syd Barrett envious. If I remember correctly, its working title was Barbed Wire Whipping Party. Never let it be said they lacked a sense of humor, however twisted it might have been.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Feb 7, 2007 11:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the Dead

Jumping in late as well.

By now you're probably wondering what you've got yourself into. Ask one Dead Head a question and you'll get a million responses, so if you can slog through another....

Given that you like Zep (what's not to like?), you may want to focus on some of the Dead's more heavy "rock and roll" sound periods, and I would suggest searching out some of the Dick's Picks CD's of shows covering the 1977 1978 years. Off the top of my head #'s 1, 10, 25 and 29 fill the bill.

The Dead will never "sound" like Zep or have the hard, clean sound that Plant, et al produced, but there are moments of Garcia leading jams that would make Jimmy proud: Look for 2nd set versions of songs like THE OTHER ONE, ST STEPHEN, NOT FADE AWAY....if you want to hear the band's more exploratory songs, with improvisation jazzy, spacey jams look for 2nd set PLAYIN IN THE BAND, EYES OF THE WORLD,ESTIMATED PROPHET...

There are also great shows available here on the archive that are decent AUD quality, and if I may suggest two you can download and will enjoy:

10/29/77, N. Illinois Univ.

and 5/1/81 Hampton, VA> (this is one of the better sounding AUDs in the archive and in fact is superior to the soundboard.)

Most of all, welcome, and Enjoy!

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Poster: WORDSdidGLOW Date: Feb 6, 2007 8:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the Dead

I've turned a few people onto the Dead by playing them 9-18-87. It's not too jammy and has tremendous energy, so it appeals to the amateur Dead listener.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Feb 6, 2007 8:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the Dead

now THAT!!! is a GREAT show -

you sir just mentioned one of my favorite shows of all time!!! awesome DEW!!!!!

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Poster: high flow Date: Feb 6, 2007 8:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the Dead

Yes. Absolutely, you want to offer real rock n' roll w/ the GD twist. It's the energy that grabs you, and tempts you and beckons you furthur.......into the depths of NINTEEN SIXTY EIGHT! OOOOHHH!

Two From The Vault would be excellent.

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Poster: noodlesmcintosh Date: Feb 6, 2007 8:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the Dead

I love the jammy stuff that I've heard. I dont have a whole lot of it, but I have Allman Brother's Live at Fillmore and I listen to a song from that like everyday. The O.A.R. stuff I have is mostly live jams and stuff.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Feb 6, 2007 9:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the Dead

noodles we could go in many directions but i would say start with the 3 nights at Alpine valley, East troy WI. summer 1989. One of the best 3 night runs in the band's history. They hit a ton of tunes during this run so you can familiarize yourself with the repitoire, and the band is in top form to say the least.

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Poster: HiRoller Date: Feb 6, 2007 10:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the Dead

Since you said you like Zeppelin and the Allman Brothers, you may enjoy some earlier Dead, with a lot more blues jamming. In fact, look into 2/11/70, most of the Allman Brothers sit in for the Dark Star > Spanish Jam > Lovelight. It's a pretty interesting show with a lot of guests sitting in, and at one point there are at least 4 guitarists playing during the Dark Star.

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Poster: CCCC Date: Apr 15, 2007 6:47am
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Poster: HiRoller Date: Feb 7, 2007 11:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the Dead

Great picture, but I only see four guitarists.

Front row: Mick Fleetwood (dancing), Peter Green (guitar), Pigpen, Bobby (guitar), Phil (bass), and Gregg Allman (organ)

Back row: Jerry (guitar), Billy (drums), Berry Oakley (bass), Mickey?, Butch Trucks (drums), and Duane Allman (guitar)

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Poster: CCCC Date: Apr 15, 2007 6:49am
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Poster: HiRoller Date: Feb 7, 2007 6:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the Dead

I don't really want to keep this argument going, but Phil had really blonde hair back then, and he wore it like the person in that picture.

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Poster: tigerbolt Date: Feb 6, 2007 7:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the Dead

try "live dead" a great recording of the dead performing live,if you get into that,then you probably like them.i would then start searching for live shows.sbd's are not available to download at this site but you can stream shows.most response will be to stream 5-8-77,so go ahead but greater shows await you after playin that one.

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Poster: noodlesmcintosh Date: Feb 6, 2007 8:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the Dead

Thanks alot

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Poster: tigerbolt Date: Feb 6, 2007 8:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the Dead

by the way welcome,and if you really,really get into them,folks here will help you out,even though they may seem mental at times but it's a good mental.watch out for direwolf,esp if you own cows.:)

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Feb 6, 2007 8:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the Dead

i am udderly offended by that reference!! i would never cheat on my dear Bossie ( unless he's got a real nice lonely female Gelbray lookin for a new mate of course)

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Poster: cush11 Date: Feb 6, 2007 8:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the Dead

...and sheep... ;)

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Feb 6, 2007 8:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the Dead

noodles ... glad to see another soul being musically saved by hopping on the bus that is the Grateful Dead experience, albeit without actually seeing them live. Not to worry though, i never saw Jefferson Airplane live, but don't mean a thing in the bigger picture. So welcome! All good choices recommended to you by, dare i admit it, some of the more lunatic among the forum members. Be especially wary around high flow (j/k man!), and if Direwolf sniffs in your patch, i don't know, but i heard that has a double meaning or what not. My recommendation if you enjoy what has been recommended so far, give 10/12/68 a listen. If it burns a hole in your head, follow that up with 4/5/69, and from that point the madness begins. Cliff will steer you right for all your pre-'77 GD bliss, as will many, many others here, most of them far more knowledgeable than myself when it comes to the minutia of live GD. Liam generally checks in with a gem worth checking out, even if he'll claim that he is you and you are he, or something to that effect. Maybe he has a point, i don't know. Hope you listen and enjoy, and take the good to be found here. A few sour apples, but overall, a good mix of folks, all of whom are heartily glad to see any and all newcomers, especially of the female variety. Nazdravi ... Arbuthot

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Feb 6, 2007 8:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the Dead

"and if Direwolf sniffs in your patch, i don't know, but i heard that has a double meaning or what not."


Hey.... what's that supposed to mean?????? - lol

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Feb 6, 2007 9:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the Dead

Oh, you mean that's not a compliment? Ha, ha ;)

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Poster: high flow Date: Feb 6, 2007 8:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the Dead

Hi Noodles - Honestly. If you want to get popped, just do 4/29/71. (Pig before Donna, right? It just makes good sense...trust me.)

THAT show still kicks the asses of the hardest-of-the-hardcore fans here, AND it is also a very good getting-to-know-ya show.

Enjoy.

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Poster: not_a_typical_daydream Date: Feb 6, 2007 8:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New to the Dead

I would say to pick up Aoxomoxoa and American Beauty. And definitely Live/Dead like tigerbolt suggested. And if you dig that stuff and get on the bus, hold on, it's a grate ride. Peace and hang loose.